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Dr. Mark Gordon (Illegally?) Recommends Protandim for Post-Heart Surgery and Diabetes

[Update: It looks like Michelle Skaff has scrubbed her site clean. Seems like an admission of guilt.]

There's a good find on the website: Our Health and Abundance. Yes that's the website run by LifeVantage Pro 7 Distributor Michelle Skaff that encourages illegal Protandim testimonials for diseases when the LifeVantage itself admits that Protandim is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

Vogel found a radio show on this page: Our Health and Abundance. The show takes questions from callers. One caller says:

Hi Dr. Gordon, my name is Marian Gates, I live in Marin County in California and My mother in Boston last week just had quintuple by-pass surgery. She's doing well. She's home now. However do you recommend she start Protandim immediately?

Dr. Gordon: Well if she's had by-pass surgery, if you read the by-pass graft study, yeah, the earlier the better. If it were one of my family members, yes, I would definitely have them start taking it. But as I told you, I don't make recommendations specifically to patients for the reasons that I mentioned.

So what we have here is that Dr. Mark Gordon does recommend the person take Protandim in direct answer to the readers question. In fact he goes beyond that stating that "the sooner the better." Then he ends with a sentence saying that he doesn't make recommendations. At this point it is too late, he already has.

Later on in the same interview Dr. Mark Gordon is asked about insulin levels going down while on Protandim and specifically asked if "that's what [he's] heard." He agrees and gives a testimonial of his wife's cousin's 12 year old daughter who is a type 1 diabetic who cut back insulin usage in 30% in 30 days.

He makes these recommendations despite the fact that LifeVantage itself says, "Protandim is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." The FDA has not approved Protandim for use with post-op heart surgery or diabetes.

It should be noted that Dr. Mark Gordon is a LfieVantage distributor and earns money from LifeVantage. At a minimum this is an unethical conflict of interest. At a maximum it could cost him his medical license. Check out this NY Times article about the crackdown on doctors getting kickbacks for recommending products:

"Besides jail time and fines, doctors convicted in the cases could lose their licenses for a time and be excluded from the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs, severely limiting their potential pool of patients.

Dr. Charles D. Rosen, an orthopedic surgeon and president of the Association for Medical Ethics, predicted that the pending cases would tarnish the entire profession. “The abuse of the public trust by the few will hurt the many,” Dr. Rosen said."

Dr. Rosen is right. The abuse of the public trust by people like Mark Gordon will hurt many.

Originally posted 2011-10-10 23:17:44.

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14 Responses to “Dr. Mark Gordon (Illegally?) Recommends Protandim for Post-Heart Surgery and Diabetes”
  1. Vogel Says:

    Skaff scrubbed her website completely. It was given a total overhaul and purged of all offending material.

    Seems like someone’s listening…and they are afraid.

  2. Protandim Scams Says:

    Yep, I’m glad that I downloaded the MP3s before posting so that I have a record of it. I might repost them for posterity.

    That person who is watching would be very wise to stop whatever they are doing and spread the world to all to distributors to proactively take down anything involving Protandim and disease claims.

  3. jon Says:

    There is a real easy way to settle this, why not check out the National Library of Medicine website at http://www.pubmed.gov? They list all the studies that have been done by various universities on Protandim.

    Why not look at the studies? What are you afraid of?

  4. protandimscams Says:

    Jon, why not check out the National Library of Medicine website at http://clinicaltrials.gov/ ? Here’s a quick link: (http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=protandim). They list all the clinical trials so that you can see the effect Protandim has on humans.

    I’ve looked at all the studies on Pubmed and Paul Myhill, Inventor of Protandim, Admits Pubmed is for Marketing. That’s because they only deal with test tubes and animals – except for one study where its been shown that LifeVantage fudged the data.

    The real easy way is to settle it is look up the FDA’s website and see what diseases Protandim is listed as helping. Here’s the link: http://www.fda.gov/food/labelingnutrition/labelclaims/healthclaimsmeetingsignificantscientificagreementssa/default.htm. Go ahead and click – you won’t see Protandim listed anywhere.

  5. Conrado Mancao Says:

    You have completely misunderstood the statement” – not intended to diagnose,treat,cure or prevent any diseases”. This statement is required of all nutritional products because FDA does not evaluate them unless there are reported serious effects as in the case of Ephedra.
    The statement above ” Paul Myhill, inventor of Protandim, admits Pubmed is for marketing” maligns and questions the integrity of the NIH.

  6. protandimscams Says:

    I didn’t misunderstand the statement at all. I know it is required. There’s a good reason why the FDA requires it. It’s so that people can’t make illegal claims about supplements that aren’t proven to help treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

    The FDA has a list of supplements that have shown the required proof that they can help with diseases. For example, you’ll find that calcium and vitamin D help with osteoporosis. If a supplement make thinks their supplement can help with a disease, they simply have to put the proof together. LifeVantage hasn’t done that, and as such has to stick with the legally defined statement from the FDA which helps protect people from snake oil scams.

    A LifeVantage distributor has signed a distributor form that states that they will not make these claims. It’s part of the agreement. A doctor, like Dr. Mark Gordon, should be especially familiar with this.

    How do you believe that statement maligns the integrity of the NIH? Do you understand that the NIH’s Pubmed is like a library, holding the published journals in digital form? It doesn’t verify any of the studies in the journals before putting them in the site, in the same way that a library won’t fact check every book it puts on a shelf. To understand more, see PubMed, Impact Factor, Peer Review Journals, and Fraud.

  7. Michael Says:

    I am no way a part of Life Vantage. When a family member who had been taking Protandim for about 6 months showed me the medical blood test results and the improvements of his condition, I was impressed. I myself work in the medical field, bought some bottles of Protandim and gave it to a couple patients to try, under the condition that it “might” help them. I was impressed with the results. We can recommend Protandim to help a condition as a medical professional with out legal concequences. We never state it will cure any illness or disease. Get over it, it’s a natural supplement not a medical drug.. I think someone pissed you off and your just trying to repay that by writing BS..

  8. protandimscams Says:

    Michael,

    First we can’t believe that you work in the medical field or have patients without giving us your full name and details. For all we know, you could be a witch doctor. My point here, is that this part of your comment doesn’t carry any weight.

    If you were a competent medical professional, you’d know that giving patients a pill of anything and telling them that it “might” help them, could trigger a placebo effect. You shouldn’t be impressed with the results of a placebo effect.

    What you seem to fail to realize here is that Dr. Mark Gordon is a part of LifeVantage and is compensated for product that he sells to patients and those that he recruits into LifeVantage. This is a big difference. While you may never it will cure, you might imply that it is helpful with a condition… or else why would you recommend it? Since it is a supplement and not a drug and hasn’t passed the FDA’s Health Claims Meeting Significant Scientific Agreement (SSA), you can’t claim it may treat, prevent, cure any condition.

    Yes, LifeVantage has pissed me off because they are defrauding trusted individuals with their snake oil. I was not a part of it and have not bought any product. I just recognize the fraud and want to help people avoid it and those involved with spreading it.

  9. disgusted Says:

    You ARE an idiot Michael and ANY ONE can SEE through your rediculousness and can tell that you CLEARLY have another agenda here … You are ticked off about something – you definitely are not writing this TRASH for the “gooodness” of your heart or anyone else! Otherwise you wouldn’t be so ANGRY & UGLY!

    You are a great advocate here – because everyone can SEE THROUGH YOU!

    Everything that I have seen and read – IT IS ALLLLLLLLL NATURAL …. and does what it says it does!

  10. protandimscams Says:

    Disgusted, those are some strong feelings against Michael there. Very confusing with you seem to agree with him in the last sentence.

    Anyway, poison ivy is “all natural” as well and I’m very sure I don’t want to eat that. I’m not sure that Protandim says it does anything (being inanimate), but if it did anything, you can show me the large-scale clinical trials that prove it, right?

  11. Gally Girl Says:

    I am so surprised and the rants on this page. Have any of you tried Protandim? Have any of you given it to your ailing pets? Dogs don’t have placebo effects.
    I believe that if any health practitioner believes a product can benefit a patient, than he/she should recommend it! I know Protandim works. there are enough studies and testimonials out there and I have seen it, and felt it time and time again. I don’t know too much about the medical side of things because I avoid conventional doctors like the plague, but don’t doctors get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for recommending their drugs laced with side-effects? Don’t forget that they were a small biotech company BEFORE becoming an MLM because they didn’t know how to explain the product on a retail level. I know that big pharma is trying to copy Protandim so that doctors can prescribe something similar as a drug. You will soon see that Nrf2 activation is the future of healthcare, and doctors are worried they won’t be able to prescribe their human killing drugs. whatever you prescribe to your patients for a certain ailment, you are causing another. Protandim doesn’t have any side-effects and may also be a preventative to put you out of business. Embrace it and stop trying to stop something that can help the human race.

  12. protandimscams Says:

    Dogs do have placebo effects – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912522

    There isn’t a single good study showing that Protandim works in any way. Testimonials are not evidence that health products work (see placebo effect).

    You probably want to read this: http://www.aitse.org/no-your-mlm-doesnt-work/

  13. Gally Girl Says:

    There are many “Lazy Man’s” postings there are about many products and companies. has anyone considered that this is how he makes his money? by writing negative posts? is he credible enough for doctors and scientists to listen to him, or is he also out there to make a buck? as for “good enough studies”, what does that mean? small biotech firms have a lot less money than big pharma to conduct their tests. for the amount of money spent, there is enough positive information out there to draw educated consclusions There are really no tests that prove it is harmful, and most test prove that it has done something positive. Just because it takes years and tons of money to prove what you are looking for- and they are probably under-way , but do take time. If you suffered from a heart condition, or any of the many ailments caused by oxidative stress, don’t walk, run to get yourself on Protandim. Would you want to be without it with enough evidence that points that it very well may help you? Please, don’t just argue for the sake of argument. try it yourself. Take it for as many months as your age in decades. Give it to your poor dog. After all, what’s the harm? it’s just 5 herbs. Do yourself and your loved ones a favor and don’t be caught without it. then when all the big research comes out you were waiting for, you can tell everyone “I told you so”. My dog is 12 years old she stopped running last year. We are active people and it broke our hearts to have to leave her at home during our hikes. After 14 days, she was running like a puppy. now she can do all the things she used to. Thank you Life Vantage!

  14. protandimscams Says:

    If you look at his website archives, he’s been writing for nearly 10 years with nearly 2000 articles. There aren’t any negative posts, just ones that expose scams so that consumers don’t get trapped in them.

    The previous response included a link: http://www.aitse.org/no-your-mlm-doesnt-work/ which shows that doctors and scientists listen to him and republish his information.

    There’s nothing wrong with making money teaching people. Do you expect university professors to work for free?

    As this site has covered there are numerous problems with the studies. Famously Dr. Harriet Hall has covered Protandim multiple times exposing the studies as nonsensical: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/brief-update-protandim/.

    Toast or ice cream isn’t harmful, so why not take them as medicine? Protandim.com even says “Protandim and other LifeVantage products are not intended to treat, cure, prevent or mitigate any diseases.”

    We don’t know if it harmful to dogs. Chocolate, grapes, and onions are harmless to people, but we’ve learned that they are harmful to dogs. I’m not aware of LifeVantage’s Canine Health being tested for safety on dogs.

 

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